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So.. I have this thing I've been thinking about for some days now and just started to bother me so much that I had to write a journal about it here :XD:
It's about a subject in the danish cosplay community which I have come across a couple of times now.. I'm sure other countries have it too, but seeing as we're so small I believe it to be a bigger problem here. Anyway, the thing I'm talking about is when you cosplay a character and feel ownership of said character. It gets on my nerves so badly when people bitch about others who cosplay the same as them. I get that it can be somewhat annoying (lack of better word) when someone is going to cosplay the same as you, I've felt exactly the same, but to go from that to bitch about the other person and just be an ass about it, that bugs me. Of course someone else is cosplaying whatever you're cosplaying. I don't believe there's much left in this world that SOMEONE haven't cosplayed xD But it really shouldn't have someone all worked up about it..
I think I've heard the sentence "But *insertname* is going to cosplay that so I can't" SO many times... and it's just bullshit if you ask me. Just because someone else is cosplaying a character, why should that mean you can't? Again, I know the feeling and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with feeling bothered about it, but to cancel something you really want to make because of it, that's a shame. And what's worse is when someone tries to stop others from cosplaying something because they want to.. Urh XD
But yaerh it's a thing I've seen often here in Denmark because we're such a small community that practically everyone knows everyone, and therefore these situations happens.. Again, I feel that I need to state that I get this feeling as well when someone is cosplaying something I want to or are planning to, but it doesn't stop me in the end if I really feel like cosplaying that character ;) I think you have to try and not compare yourself to the other person and just go with it.. have fun with the fact that you're cosplaying the same, share the progress and see how differently you might approach some things ^^

Anyway yes, I just needed to get this of my chest X'D

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Mislingen Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Jeg vælger lige at skrive på dansk,da jeg stinker til engelsk!

Jeg kan godt følge dig i det her, jeg ser tit at folk skriver, at de ikke vil cosplaye en char. fordi en anden enten har gjort det eller vil det.. Havde det lidt på samme måde i starten, men valgte at se fra det og bare ha det sjovt med at cosplaye personen istedet for at gå rundt og bitche om at andre cosplayer den samme.

Dog må jeg indrømme at jeg var skidebange for,hva folk ville sige til mit Rapunzel cosplay da det var blevet lavet før. Men fik det dog meget bedre,da folk roste mig og sagde at jeg var en god Rapunzel :3
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Mirazie Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I somewhat agree with you, but I also think it's a bigger problem than just that; I do't think it just involves the two people in question, the 'first' to cosplay something and the one that want to cosplay it. Because, let's face it, everyone else i watching too :S like, I think nadia said it, when two people cosplay the same thing, they can share the fandom and make new friends and stuff like that. I think it's a minority that are simple minded enough to think that they OWN a character just because they cosplayed him or her xD but, let me use myself as an example (not that I'm proud of it, but that's just the way it is); I absolutely ador Lavi as Flynn and to me she'll be the 'right' Flynn, no matter how many others make him. So eventhough I can look at others and think they look nice, I'll always compare them to Lavi ~ not to say that they should be afraid of me or anything, I can keep a poker face and would NEVER make eyes or stuff like that, but yeah, I do the comparison in my head. I'm positive that a lot of people feel the same way about some cosplays and people, so while 'the first cosplayer' is cool with all others and simply thinks it's amazing that others want to cosplay it as well, the general opinion may not agree :-/ I don't think I'm describing this as clearly as I would like to, but can't do it much better... point is, I myself don't care much for cosplay what everyone else is cosplaying, simply because I don't like the comparison that I KNOW people are making; not the ones that actually do the cosplaying of the same character, but everyone else. So I try to cosplay what I want, but I also take note of what's 'in' and what others has been cosplaying... if others cosplay what I've made, I think it's simply cool and I like to see how they've done it compared to me. So I don't mind people "following me" but I don't like to "follow people myself" (orz, sounds really snobby, but it's not meant that way... I hope you catch my point n.n;; )
You really made me think when I read this some days ago and this is my reply x3 so yeah, I agree to disagree with you, or how that saying goes x,D I think you're right, but I don't think that you've written the whole problem here ;) but nice discussion you've started, I really like it!! I think it's a thing people at least should think about and discuss if possible, because it IS annoying that people get evil eyes simply because they're 'nos as good as the original' - and not even meaning the original character but the 'original' cosplayer, WTF?!
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2012
(Oh how I waited for you to write a novel for me honey XD:heart: Love it!)

As you say, I also somewhat agree with you ;D Or actually I highly agree with you, but I think it's another kind of problem or a related one to the one I'm talking about :) I think what you are talking about is more about other peoples view on "your" cosplays and not how it should effect how you choose or how people bitch at others about it. I know what you mean and I do the same thing very often.. The first person I see cosplay something often sticks with my mind so everyone else I see will at some point be compared to it, one way or the other. Huh, guess we just hit your point there :XD:
And I feel the same way about "following" something.. but in the end it depends on how much I feel for the costume or character xD

Mhm, there shouldn't be such a comparison really, unless people are entering a competition. It's unnecessary to compare people like that otherwise :)
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Mirazie Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
(Pfffff, I can't help it!! Not when I feel like there's a lot of things that needs to be said xD .... heck, I even writte small novels even if there isn't much to be said ;o; it's an illness....)

Yeah, I spoke with Bine not long after I had posted my comment, and she said the same thing; that it's two related problems, but still two... and I can totally see that x,D sometimes the 'problems/bithing-subjects' in the cosplay world is just so super related that you can't figure out where one ends and another one starts, it's riddiculous x.x;;
If you really wanna cosplay a character, then DO it, even if someone feels like they 'own' the character; if it's a friend and you're not sure about the friend's standpoint on the matter, then give him or her a headsup beforehand as a courtesy; then the other won't feel it as a backstab (eventhough he er her shouldn't do that at all >__>).
EVERYTHING depends on the feels for the character! x3 I agree with you there ~
People always compare, if it's not cosplayers then it's chinese food; "No, the one I got in CPH last time was better!" everything is being compared to something, but I think what really matters is the way people act on it; if you start to bitch as soon as something is not as good as what you've seen earlier, then you're an idiot and ruin it for people D: (totally not what I said before, I know, but I think I'm starting to mess around on the subjects again, so I'll just stop now before I confuse myself even further x,D :faint: )
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sumikins Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Sadly, this is a really common problem, especially within small communities or groups of friends. I know that within my core group, if there is any overlap in a desire to cosplay a certain character, one or the other will back down and decide not to do it "if so-and-so is going to do it" and while it's nice to have a fuller cast, I think it's silly to to just cosplay who you want. And on the other side, I know that I have a certain 'possessiveness' over some characters, but it's not in a way that I think no one else should be able to cosplay them... I just really love the character and want for other people to appreciate my costume. (or sometimes, competitively, if I haven't made the costume yet, I will strive to make mine 'better' than what I have seen before)
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2012
Yaerh I think that's very common :) Denmark is just so small that the problem isn't only within your group or group of friends, but throughout the community xD
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hytteost Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Do i know it >.< I prefer cosplaying things that i am less likely to run into at cons at least, since i can't help but compare myself to that other cosplayer and see all the faults in my own and how they look the character so much better, so it drags me down a lot. It doesn't stop me if i really want to though; i am cosplaying Rarity after all and that's a pretty popular topic these days.
But the catch with cosplaying something that isn't so 'up' in the danish community is that no one really recognizes your cosplay. Of course i cosplay what i want and what i like, but everyone likes at least some recognition for what they do, just someone saying hey, i love that character/cosplay! Or someone asking to take a picture of you. Everyone who says they don't care about that or doesn't feel flattered by that, is lying.
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012
Oh no you shouldn't do that :C You look so pretty in all your costumes so no need to worry!
Wear what you want and enjoy it :3

Of course it's nice to get recognized and it's such a compliment to have people acknowledge your work.. and well I would love to say that a person shouldn't cosplay for those reasons but the truth is I can't. Cause as I stated in the journal, there are no rules to follow when it comes to cosplay, so if you feel like you want to be "popular" characters or just something people will recognize, then you should go for that :)
I agree that I don't think anyone who cosplays in public or posts pictures, videos or whatever online feel like that. But I don't see what's wrong with it either ;) You've put a lot of effort in to something and you want to share it :D

But anyway, don't be scared of cosplying something because of the comparison. Leap into it and maybe go talk to others cosplaying the same :) Especially if you really like a way they made a certain thing on their costume or something like that :)
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hytteost Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Thank you. :3
But as i said, yeah. I try to not let it stop me, and dare to cosplay stuff that i want to, no matter if it's popular or not. I don't say that wanting to get recognition is wrong, it's just that everyone that cosplays in public wants that yeah. It's just hard to get when you really don't know that many people, and you can work really hard on your costume but because no one knows who you are it feels as a wasted effort.

but thanks for the advice ^^
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2012
Hmm yaerh I get what you're saying :/ It's not that great when you want to be acknowledged for things you do and nothing happens, but I still don't think it should be too big of a motivator when it comes to choosing a costume :)
But yaerh, we all have our different ways of approaching cosplay and if a person wants to cosplay things because others like them, then there's nothing wrong with that :)
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Kairi-Heartless Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I agree with everything you wrote here
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Snowman49 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
I'm Going To cosplay Eric from The little mermaid. So I called in DisneyLand in Paris And no matter how hard I yelled at them, they Wouldn't Cancel their Eric. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! ... No Ofc. I Agreeeeeeeeee

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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Oh god, Disneyland can be such A holes! How dare they keep their Eric :c

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Snowman49 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Yeah well, next time I'm in Disneyland I am gonna steal a candybar.. or something.
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Adlez-Axel Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I feel the same way!
Somewhere deep inside me I'm just a bit bothered when I think I'll be the only person at the con cosplaying a character, and it turns out I'm far from the only one. But I've come to love the peops cosplaying the same character! What better way to make friends than having someone love the same character?
I too get really annoyed when people talk badly of others wearing the same cosplay. "She didn't make it very well", "It doesn't suit her", "I'm way better than her/him" I HATE IT! Why can't people just be happy for the shared fandom!? I get really angry!!

So.. I . FEEL. THE. SAME. WAY :heart:
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Again I know exactly what you mean x'D
We should just start smacking people who says stuff like that. ;D

YAY:heart:
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TinYasuo-Cosplay Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
It's so true, and I won't lie, I'm one of those who feel "buhuu this person cosplay the same as me" .. but it's more because it makes me feel insecure and unsure if I look okay in the certain cosplay...
But I think it is like that for a lot of people.. it wouldn't ever stop me thou, more like motivate me to make it really good.. But I think it's like that cliché saying: "This girl wears the same shirt as I - one of us have to leave the country!" .... (lol atleast I've heard it a lot of times XD) everybody wants to be seen and noticed when wearing a cosplay, i mean, nobody would dress up if they really didn't liked being noticed or seen (not saying that people dress up JUST to be seen, but.. yeah.. hope you get what I mean XD) and if somebody is dressed as the same, you will naturally compare those two people.. but it's sad that it really do stop some people from cosplaying a certain character, just because someone else does it before you.. I hope people will read your journal, and think about it.. those who get deeply affected by it, cause it's a matter of selfesteem I think o:

.... yeah.... just wanted to comment, without reading much of the other comments.. guess this allready had been said xD Just wanted to share that I agree with you xD
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
But you have nothing to feel insecure about honey<3
And I agree on the 'wants to be noticed' bit - it's just where people have to compare the good parts and have fun with it instead of bashing and getting sad :D

I'm glad you wanted to reply<3
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Gwan-chan Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
I guess I know the problem well, since I more than one time have cancelled a cosplay I else wanted to make, because someone else made it so perfect that I just loose the wish to make it. It's not that I LET it stop me from cosplaying something I really like, It's just that I loose some of the motivation for making it, when I have seen the character come to live before me in a way that I possibly can't do any better. Then my goal is somewhat fulfilled by other persons, and I rest by that :b I often am just happy to see the character portrayed good, and then I want to portray another character myself. It's somewhat silly, but I just feel that way about cosplays (in Denmark)
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Well I like that point of view on the matter :)Cause then it's not based on you feeling bad about yourself ;)
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Gwan-chan Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
which acutally means that I can relate to something else than all you other guys :b To the bitching people. Of course I don't bitch about people wanting to be the same characters! And I don't think OTHERS should stop cosplaying a character. It's just how I feel personally
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Kate-Kane Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
i dont think you can own a character but i know the feeling of cosplaying something the same as someone else and the comparissons start up. there has been many a conflict here in aust because rather than going, yeah 2 people have done the same character its "oooo someone is copying and one of the 2 is crap andthe other is perfect and blah blah blah"
it has started many a drama. dont know why we cant just all love and appreciate the charcater without this crap attached
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Exactly, people tend to go for the bashing of others cosplaying the same as them, instead of embracing it and have fun with it.
I can imagine the drama being bad there :/
But you just have to spread your opinion on it :D
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Kate-Kane Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
there were 10 sakuras the day i did wcs this year including mine and incrediably we all did different versions and it was FANTASTIC!!!! e turned it into a game of "spot the sakura" and we ended up taking one out on a shoot with us it was great.
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Haha oh that sounds so awesome! :D
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Mie-Rose Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I love when people cosplay the same as me (or at least from the same series) because then we can fan fap over each other and the series. (if they talk to me, nobody seems to want that when we cosplay the same though :C)

But a good entry Samie! So many true words spoken.
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
It just creates a special bond whenever someone is from the same series as you are cosplaying :D

Glad you liked it<3
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Mie-Rose Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
A special bond of "Imma so not gonna talk to her" :C jk it is amazing when you actually get to talk to somebody with the same fan feels and no ownership stuff going on.
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OniNiceBrain Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012  Student General Artist
WELL SPOKEN SAMIE!!!!
Finally someone managed to stand up and say it! And yes, I agree with every single word written above. At times it just make me insanely insecure when friends of mine are going to, or already are, cosplaying the same character as the one I've done or planned to do. And yes, I know all about the "ownership" feeling, but it haven't stopped me from talking with people or the liking. I mostly just try to get over myself and then have a great time instead :D
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012
Good going Oni, keep that up!
.. I feel like a cosplay coach here haha X'D
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OniNiceBrain Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Student General Artist
Thank you! And I will!
Hahaha XD
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Zuum Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012
Samie I LOVE YOU FOR THIS!!!!! :heart:
I couldn't agree more!! I hate when people do it as well!
And I hate even more that I get nervous every time I cosplay the same as a friend or someone that I know because I'm afraid they might hate me or something! D:
I get the feeling as well when I'm planning on something and I see someone is going to cosplay them as well, but I'm not mad, or angry or anything like that... I'm more like "Orh damn, she is going to be so much more awesome than me! D:"
To be honest, I get more happy when I see people cosplay something that I do to because then I know that I have something in common with him/her and that the love for this character is bigger that "just me". ;W;
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012
I feel the exact same thing x'D<3
But yaerh as stated, it shouldn't get out of hand. And it shouldn't stop you.
As you say, it's a chance to share fandoms, hell yaerh!:heart:
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BakiCosplay Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I completely agree! Good to know that I am not the only one feeling irritated about this subject.
I must admit that I have had the same feeling about not wanting to cosplay someone just because someone else have done it or is planning to do it. But for me it - and I think for many others too - is because of my own insecure-ness. However it should not stop someone from doing it anyway. There is a fine line and balance between thinking that it is irritating that someone else "took your" character and go bitching. I am really tired of people seeing cosplay as a serious buisness. Don't get me wrong - I admire people who use a lot of time on their cosplays, skits etc. but stop being so God damn comparative. Cosplay is about having fun, doing whatever you want to in one of the most beautiful hobbies ever existing with creativity, fun, ideas, friends and meet-ups. It's not about owning characters, it's about having fun and doing what you feel like!

In stead of thinking negative people should try to look on it in a more positive way. What could I learn from her/him? As you already mentioned there are a VERY small chance that someone else haven't cosplayed "your" character, so why not learn something from these people. Stop being competitive and start learning and having more fun! See it as a way to improve your own cosplay, and have a nice dialogue with someone who loves the same character as you do.

I think that the reasson why people and I myself feel this "ownership" is just a because we are insecure. Couldn't it be that we are afraid of other people being better than us, and therefore we are afraid that our cosplay will be a waste of time, since everyone else will not notice us, and if they do they will just start comparing us with the other person? I think so.

What I am trying to say is that cosplay is all about having fun, stop being so competitive regarding what others do and have done! HAVE FUN, LEARN, BE YOURSELF, BE PROUD... AND HAVE FUN again!
Am I getting through to anyone?
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012
Hehe well I heard you and couldn't agree more ;)

I have the same feeling about being insecure, but in the end if it's a character I really feel for that trumps it. It's hard, but one shouldn't let the self-esteem get the final saying on that matter.
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BakiCosplay Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Agreed! ;)

It is somewhat very ironic, that we are afraid of being another character because we are afraid of being ourselves.
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Wise words my friend!
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OpheliaDrawzChickens Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012
I think it's wonderful when people cosplay the same! We can share tips and tricks about our costumes and who's a better conversation-partner than someone who obviously is interested in the same fandom as you are, seeing as you picked the same character?

I truly do not see anything wrong in it!
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012
Couldn't agree more :)
There's nothing like asking for advice from someone you think did an awesome job on whatever costume you're making :D
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shuika Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012  Hobbyist
YES THANK YOU FOR SAYING ALL THIS XD <3 It's true, it's a shame to NOT do the cosplay just because someone else does it, but I really really hate that people tries to make other stop the cosplay just because they want to do it >.< I had a friend who did that all the time DX So anoying and I agre that it's just...plain stupid to bithc about other's cosplay, just because you have the same or something >.< Thanks for triyg to...ehmm...Not sure for the word but kind of help people to just have fun and such :) thank you thank you thank you XD <3 I agree 100% everything you wrote, let's jut have fun, help each other's and just...fool around XD
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012
You're most welcome! ( I think... XD<3)
It's really hard when you want to cosplay the same thing as your friends, but in the end it doesn't really matter weather you've made the same costume or not. Again I think it's a thing about trying not to compare yourself, and as you say - just have fun instead :D
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shuika Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012  Hobbyist
haha so true, so true :) I just think it's awesome and cool of you to write it, since there's so many ignoring it or just feeling down, it's sad...
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Yaerh it's a really a shame, and seeing as how many have told me they feel this way I'm very glad I wrote this.
Cause I really think it's something to think about, people shouldn't let a silly thing like that stop them :)
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shuika Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2012  Hobbyist
Yes I am glad to you wrote all this XD :) Yes I really agree with everything :)
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YoshuSheep Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012  Hobbyist
I also agree with you!

It is too stupid to think that you "own" a character and that you are the only one who are allowed to make it. It can actually be quite good to meet someone else who made the same outfit as you because they might have made something on it a bit different and you can have a good conversation with the person about how you both made it etc.
I was one of those who feared if someone else made the same cosplay as me - especially if it was someone I knew, that they would be so much better then me D: Yes stupid when I look at it now, I know xD
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012
No it's not stupid, it's very normal and I understand you. But I'm happy that you stopped doing it, because it's such a shame!
People tend to think there are so many rules regarding cosplay, about what is the 'dos and dont's" when in reality this is a hobby with no limits. It's a matter of tastes and what you like, not what the rules says, as there are no rules :)

Don't be afraid honey<3
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DustyLeaves Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Amen to that!

It's annoying when you're simply chit-chatting with someone, and then a person in the same cosplay walks by as the one you're talking to, and you can see how angry they get and they complain "They stole the cosplay from me!"
It's not like you're the only one in the world who knows that series or game......
I think it's super fun when you can have more people cosplay the same character and then makes jokes about it, or take photos together and generally just make it fun! Because it's supposed to be fun and nothing but that!

So I agree with you! BC <3
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Samietheturtle Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012
Exactly, you really have to try and focus on the fun side of it instead of getting upset!
I'm happy that I'm not the only one who thinks this X'D<3
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